Issue 4 - Page 7

17th Feb 2017, 6:00 PM in The Collector's Impulse
Issue 4 - Page 7
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Steven-Vincent 17th Feb 2017, 6:00 PM edit delete
Steven-Vincent
I've been dying to have Abby say 'This is a job for Liberty Lass' forever. ;)

Before anyone asks, Abby's counting on both her flight speed and the fact that likely almost no one is looking out the window just then, since they are all listening to the P.A., to cover her tracks. She's of course going to find somewhere private to change.
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Centcomm 17th Feb 2017, 6:34 PM edit delete reply
Centcomm
Does she start needing to wear glasses.. oh wait she does that in costume and 10 pts for the " this is a job for... "
Steven-Vincent 17th Feb 2017, 7:14 PM edit delete reply
Steven-Vincent
Yeah she is reverse of Superman. Glasses in hero ID, none in secret ID.
Nef 17th Feb 2017, 7:14 PM edit delete reply
Nef
Why do I think explaining her absence could end up being more difficult that defeating the super villain?
jamie59 17th Feb 2017, 7:30 PM edit delete reply
jamie59
Flying in her school uniform could result in some interesting photos.
Fafhred 18th Feb 2017, 1:44 PM edit delete reply
Fafhred
I had the exact same thought...

Edit: also, consider that someone in the classroom may turn towards the window just as she flies out of it... she would not know it yet, either.
Number 6 17th Feb 2017, 8:51 PM edit delete reply
That's the problem with gaining superpowers. You can live your life peacefully for years and years, but the second you get superpowers, supervillains, natural disasters, etc. are suddenly attracted to your vicinity as if you were a giant trouble magnet. ;)

And how cool would it be to go to a school that actually had supervillain attack protocols! We should all have those - even if you don't need it you should be prepared. Don't wait until a supervillain attacks and it's too late. I suppose there's a different one depending on the severity/type of supervillain. Level 10 Supervillain Attack Protocol: "Run Away! Run Away!"
Steven-Vincent 17th Feb 2017, 9:34 PM edit delete reply
Steven-Vincent
This is the cognitive dissonance we often get out of superhero comics. A new hero comic is produced. The story requires there to be villains, and thus villains begin to show up, and narratively we are asked to believe that somehow this all started with the hero. Often this leads to public blame of heroes as if the villains are the heros' fault.

We know that Liberty Lass lives in a a world of Supers. Colonial City is not as much on the map as say NYC or DC, but in fact, the villains are more likely to hit a place they know doesn't have heroes. LL is not really on the 'map' yet. Some may not know about her (she is a local sensation right now but not really national -- Homewrecker is a 2nd rate villain as are the Rapscallions). Others may not think she's anything to worry about. Only we, who are part of her story and have seen every minute of it, know what she can really do (so far).

This may change, and there will definitely be references to it. And there are villains who will go after LL specifically for one reason or another. But narratively, I will never adopt the position that somehow villains are 'attracted' to the area where heroes are like flypaper. I find that to be a frustrating and narratively dishonest type of storytelling on the part of the Big Two writers.

Just sayin'. Rant over. ;)
Number 6 17th Feb 2017, 10:28 PM edit delete reply
I know, it just one of those many things that has to happen for stories to work, I was just poking fun at it because it really does usually *seem* that way, even if there is no real claim of cause and effect there by the author. Obviously the general threat of possible supervillain attack must have been pre-existing or they wouldn't have the school supervillain protocols set up already, right?

Unless, of course, this is that creepy guy who's after her cape and he's trying to draw her out by attacking a random local school, in which case it kind of is sort of cause-and-effect this time. :)
Steven-Vincent 17th Feb 2017, 11:35 PM edit delete reply
Steven-Vincent
It could only be considered cause-and-effect if one also considers the fact that a person owns an Audi to be the cause of someone stealing it. 'You have something I want, therefore it's your fault I attacked you' really doesn't hold up under any sort of rational ethics.
Number 6 18th Feb 2017, 1:04 AM edit delete reply
Sorry, this is my pet peeve/soapbox/rant topic - people asserting that "cause" and "fault" are the same word or synonymous, probably because it happens so often. At no point did I not would I use the word "fault" in this case. Being the cause of something does *not* at all whatsoever make it your "fault". Condition "A" is causal if condition "B" would not have happened without it. It doesn't even have to be the sole causal event, just a necessary condition. In your example, if the criminal only steals Audis, and you are the only person in town who buys one, then yes, that is a cause of the theft, as the theft could not have happened without your purchase occurring, but certainly not in any way your fault. Similarly, if Mr. Crazyman only steals clothing from supers, and a new super appears, that is certainly causal to his actions, without at all rendering the super at fault. Basically, "fault" is a judgement, whereas "cause" is not and should never be construed as such.

(Yes, I know there are some who will use "cause" when they mean "fault", but that is their fault for using the word wrong.)
Steven-Vincent 18th Feb 2017, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
Steven-Vincent
I still see the *cause* here as being the criminal's willingness to engage in criminal behavior, not the theft victim's possession of the thing the criminal wants.

Cause and effect means that doing A leads to B. In our silly Audi thief example, possessing an Audi does not by itself lead to theft. The theft happens in a certain neighborhood because an Audi thief is operating. In another town, with a Ford thief, owning an Audi would be perfectly fine. The cause of the theft is therefore thief, not ownership of the Audi or the Ford.

But I think we are getting really into the weeds now...
Gilrandir 18th Feb 2017, 4:04 PM edit delete reply
Words that (in my opinion) get tangled up a lot: "cause", "fault", "liable", "responsible".

It is, in my opinion, possible to have a worthwhile, thoughtful, considered discussion about these terms and their attendant issues -- but only if the involved participants first invest some effort in making sure that (for the purposes of the discussion) all parties are using the same definitions and the same conceptual frameworks. Otherwise the exercise is doomed to futility.

That having been said ... have at it. I'll get myself some popcorn and quietly watch from a reasonably safe distance. ^_^
Nef 19th Feb 2017, 3:55 AM edit delete reply
Nef
Get a large one. I'll bring the sodas. This is getting good ;)

And they both have good points.
Chris 19th Feb 2017, 3:55 PM edit delete reply
Now THAT'S a well-behaved school.

The Principal comes on the PA saying that there's a supervillain on the sports field, and everybody looks at the loudspeaker. Not one person (barring our heroine) goes to the window to take a look for themselves.

At my school there'd be a stampede.
Steven-Vincent 19th Feb 2017, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
Steven-Vincent
Well that window doesn't face the athletic field, so they wouldn't have been able to see anything.
Comic Fan 21st Feb 2017, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I'm taking bets. I'll bet Liberty Lass takes the time to tie up her hair for this fight. Luckily, she's really fast now, but probably not faster than one of my former girlfriends. But I digress. Any takers?

Man, she was lightning fast to get ready for just about anything. My former gal, I mean. ;)
Steven-Vincent 21st Feb 2017, 7:20 PM edit delete reply
Steven-Vincent
Your question will be answered on the next page.

I do want to point out that from a practical point of view, no matter how logical it may seem for her to not tie her hair back, I have to do it, because long hair clips the cape and also her shoulders in some positions. The pony tails and braids can be individually posed so no clipping happens.
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